Are the specs achievable?

[hobbit11]

As my precious Mama would say, "We'll see"...quietly optimistic

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[RoadbossTX]

Are the cybertruck specs really achievable for the price listed? if so, why have the other manufacturers not built anything like it? Ram TRX is pretty badass but still doesn't compare and it will be EXPENSIVE. How does Tesla get 3500lbs payload and 16" of ground clearance with air suspension that can drop it to the ground? TRX has a measly 1300lbs payload and 8000lbs towing.

The most costly component is the battery. They wouldn't be able to sell it for that price with today's battery technology, but battery cost will be significantly changed when the Cybertruck starts rolling of the line.

 

[CyberG]

The body should be much cheaper to produce than the Y, leaving more room in the price for the battery pack and geegaws.

-Crissa

I forgot, how much do geegaws cost?

 

[ajdelange]

What I fear is the price will be there but if you want the onboard compressor, AC outlet, Homelink, premium connectivity, vault cover, etc. that will cost you an additional $$$$. Look at how they cut out things with the Model 3.

You want it, one way or t'other you are going to have to pay for it.

 

[Clyde-a-scope]

I believe it to be a combination of vertical procurement and efficient manufacturing. The main cost will be the batteries. However, battery day is coming. Elon stated that the his cars are too expensive, in a recent tweet. Other forums have predicted that the price of all his vehicles will drop next year due to this new battery technology. Supposedly we'll hear about it on battery day.

 

[ldjessee]

I just want the truck to come in at the price quoted without any extra expense besides adding FSD, doc fees, registration, and insurance. What I fear is the price will be there but if you want the onboard compressor, AC outlet, Homelink, premium connectivity, vault cover, etc. that will cost you an additional $$$$. Look at how they cut out things with the Model 3. No more frunk carpet or hooks, no 14/50 mobile charge adapter, no lifetime premium connectivity, no Homelink, etc. Even the size of the frunk has recently changed. Remember the early buyers crying about the headliner material change? We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out and hope for the best.

I am hoping that the WiFi replacement for Homelink will be out by the time the CyberTruck rolls out, not requiring any expensive option there...

But, they have to be successful at running the business, or they will go under. That means making things in such a way that they remain profitable.

I would not expect the rate of change to slow down yet, as in the video from Munro Live where Sandy talks about 13 changes to the manifold for the HVAC OctoValve alone...

With the recent filing in China to produce a Model 3 without chrome trim, will that be a thing for US made Model 3s soon? And will the Model 3 get its own mega casting and how soon? Or will they try to find a way to share the same mega casting between the 3 and Y?

It will be interesting to see what the differences are between the CyberTruck I eventually get and those that first come off the line and those that come of the line just a year later...

 

[CyberMoose]

I think releasing a base model without all the frills is a good choice by manufacturers. They are doing this to reduce the cost for buyers and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Half the time you can get aftermarket parts for a pretty cheap cost and if you don't overuse them, the aftermarket stuff lasts a long time too.

Cybertruck will of course cost more if you want the FSD; I don't know why anyone would think it wouldn't. This software is extremely valuable and when it's ready, could cost as much as a brand new Tesla itself. I think anyone who is buying a Tesla should opt for this software. If the option for FSD gets as expensive as Elon hinted at, the resale value of a Tesla bought around this time could be more than the cost to buy one right now.

 

[MUSK007]

Elon says a lot of stuff. I was offered back in 2017 when I purchased my car FSD. I was told it would be amazing. I of course didn't pay for something that wasn't available then, but instead purchased Tesla stock. Did I make the correct call?

Folks if FSD ever gets here.. say in the next 10 years, then and only then will I ever even consider it. I don't think it will ever work right. I don't believe it. My opinion is save or invest your money and quit drinking the FSD Kool-Aid.

 

[CyberMoose]

Elon says a lot of stuff. I was offered back in 2017 when I purchased my car FSD. I was told it would be amazing. I of course didn't pay for something that wasn't available then, but instead purchased Tesla stock. Did I make the correct call?

Folks if FSD ever gets here.. say in the next 10 years, then and only then will I ever even consider it. I don't think it will ever work right. I don't believe it. My opinion is save or invest your money and quit drinking the FSD Kool-Aid.

FSD is worth it. Sure if you invested the money in Tesla stock rather than getting FSD, you can make more money, however the same can be said that if you just invest in Tesla instead of buying a Cybertruck you will make money. FSD is something that I want even before it is actually finished.

Lets say you are right and it never gets to a point that it can drive by itself without anyone even inside, i still want it. It still has a lot of room for improvement and they have already added features that let your car drive itself in certain situations. I like the option to get on the highway, turn on the autopilot and the car changes lanes itself towards my destination. If Tesla wasn't releasing new software constantly that improves the FSD, than i might agree with you, but it is always improving.

Plenty of youtubers are releasing videos all the time that show the changes that Tesla have made and how much better it is than the previous update. We thought the original autopilot on highways was pretty impressive, then they could change lanes when you tell it, and we've kept advancing and now they change lanes on their own, go through traffic lights, stop at stop signs, they can tell you where cars are, people are, traffic cones, posts, and you can even summon your car. Are these features perfect? no. Are they at lot better than they used to be? yes.

Also FSD doesn't need to become perfect, it needs to become better than people. over one million people die from car crashes every year. A Tesla doesn't get tired, drunk, or distracted. In my opinion, if FSD becomes a thing and greatly reduces the amount of deaths per year from car accidents, we should allow FSD even if it kills some people every year.

 

[MUSK007]

I’m glad you think it great. I don’t. It for a second would I trust it with my family’s life’s or yours.

 

[CyberMoose]

I don't see how trusting it with my life is a factor. In a Telsa, if you aren't making contact with the wheel, it warns you pretty quickly that you need to be and after around 30 seconds, it will completely stop the car.

If you summon the car, it's moving at a slow speed and Tesla even states that you need to monitor this.

There have been very few high speed collisions that a Tesla has been in while on autopilot, and you can find a lot of youtube videos that show Teslas avoiding crashes. One video, i rewatched maybe 10 times, I did not notice the stopped car that was about 3 cars ahead at all before the car that was 2 ahead hit it, but the Tesla already swerved out of the way much earlier.

I'm not saying that you should send your kids to school alone in the car in the future when FSD is complete. However, it's not like i look at the road 100% of the time when i'm driving, I'm a safe driver and never caused an accident or even received a ticket, but i'll look over at the person i'm talking to, maybe look at some interesting houses, read some signs, or talk on the phone (handsfree). I think it would be really nice to know that instead of having to always drive, I can just supervise.

 

[Frank W]

But you are right though, Elon does say lots of stuff and so far things are becoming very true. That being said I definitely think you still need to be very engaged with driving.

 

[MUSK007]

I’m reminded of a story I heard. A lady was having a spirited conversation with another driver (man) about why he wasn’t driving with chains in snowy conditions. The man Was trying to defend his position that he didn’t need chains and had off roads tires, he was a good driver etc, and he could control his car. Blah blah blah.

She said, you moron, it’s not your safety I’m concern with but mine, as I don’t want to end up dead down the side of the of the mountain because you can’t control your car. She said I’ve seen way to many accidents up here from low landers like your self.

Moral of the story as I see it, Tesla will never perfect all the issues with FSD. Never. And even if they did, I’m it going to use it, Or pay for it and I’m not going to cause an accident because I foolishly believed in FSD, just because Elon says so.

 

[MUSK007]

But of course, go ahead and sign up for the 8,000 pie in the sky promise, and wait years for it. Just don’t get a loan and finance that 8,000 dream as it will end up costing a fortune.

 

[CyberMoose]

Ok i'm reminded of millions of stories of people getting distracted, drunk, or just too tired to drive and kill 1.35 million people per year, injuring more, and causing billions of dollars in collective damage. Lets say that we fix humans to never drive while they are distracted, drunk, or tired, I've been hit 3 times in the past 11 years and two of those times were by people running red lights who claimed that they just didn't notice and one was a rear end because i slowed down for construction and they didn't.

Moral of my story is humans will never be perfect. never. and even if they did, i won't trust all humans.

You don't have to use the FSD features or pay for it. However, when it becomes better than the average driver and legal, I'll probably use it to pick up my friends, maybe drive home instead of paying for parking at events and then pick me up later.

Some people think that they will never make a mistake while driving, those people are almost certainly wrong. I'm sure that I will probably misread a speed limit, or maybe cause at least a minor accident someday in my life, I hope I don't ever hurt someone just like I hope that my Cybertruck never hurts someone when i'm not in it. Either way, I can never be sure.