Update: Cybertruck Full Self Driving (FSD) Option Now Costs $8K

[ldjessee]

Elon says level 5 is coming soon.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN24A0HE

It is kind of his job to be confident the company will succeed at this thing they have spent so much time, money, and effort on. If not, it would look bad.

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[TyPope]

TyPope, I don't think many people will buy $100 apples. If someone wanted to pay me that much, I would reinvest that profit into growing more apple trees until I could meet the demand of the $1 apple crowd.

I would also try to make sure I don't neglect the $1 apple crowd because keeping customers happy is important for long-term success. Sure I might make more in the short term by ignoring them and only selling to the $100 per apple crowd, but that market won't last, others will make and sell them cheaper but still good apples.

LOL. Of course not.
My point was if you only have 10 apples (limited production capabilities where you can't make enough to meet demand), would you even try to sell them for $1 if there was a line of people wanting to pay $100 for each one?

In that same vein,
Why would Tesla sell vehicles to make a profit of, say 30% per vehicle when they could just keep the vehicles, put them in a robo-fleet and make 10 times as much money?

 

[TyPope]

I was listening to a technology radio program. On it a person bought a second-hand Model S with FSD. Supposedly, when Tesla discovered the purchase of the car they canceled FSD. (The Kim Komondor Show.). This was a retelling of the story by the host, do I do not know the particulars or outcome.

do not know if that was a freak occurrence or a Tesla corporate policy. If it is a corporate policy to cancel full self driving on subsequent sales that is wrong. If I buy a car and have it what whatever upgrade I do not expect Ford, GM, Chrysler or Tesla to then come to my home and virtually rip that upgrade off my vehicle. I bought it. It’s mine. And when I sell it then it is the new owners.

I asked my delivery specialist about that very thing. He said it happened one time, by accident, and was fixed immediately and that this "story" has been told and retold about that same incident that it has become internet lore. Anyway, doesn't happen, FSD stays with the vehicle, nothing to see here, move along. LOL

 

[Dids]

It is kind of his job to be confident the company will succeed at this thing they have spent so much time, money, and effort on. If not, it would look bad.

They may be finishing the 3d rewrite. The thing about developing things is they look like they are going to work and then you discover something that makes it fail then you go back and eventually it works. So really they could be only months from full level 5 if they got it right. Often when something is invented it's obvious that it would work that way... It's just not obvious until it is. Yes Elon is optimistic but he should be. His space company flys astronauts. His car company makes electric cars people want to drive.

 

[ldjessee]

They may be finishing the 3d rewrite. The thing about developing things is they look like they are going to work and then you discover something that makes it fail then you go back and eventually it works. So really they could be only months from full level 5 if they got it right. Often when something is invented it's obvious that it would work that way... It's just not obvious until it is. Yes Elon is optimistic but he should be. His space company flys astronauts. His car company makes electric cars people want to drive.

My day job is a software developer, I know.

 

[MEDICALJMP]

Assuming Musk's prediction is correct and Tesla is able to activate FSD at the end of 2020, do you believe it will be level 4 or the holy grail level 5?