Production Cybertruck Size Reduced By 3% With a More Level Center Line and Lower Window Sills [Update: Interior Reduced 1.5%]

[Sirfun]

Who knows, maybe after driving around awhile in the prototype Elon thought it would be better to make it just a smidge smaller. Oh, and lower the window sills.

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[VolklKatana]

The 3% difference could be primarily made up of tighter tolerances for how things fit together. A tighter weld here, a smaller panel gap there, some plastics that are made of one part rather than 2, suddenly the interior is larger than it needs to be and you are able to scale things down slightly.

 

[TyPope]

i get what you are saying, but first principles would identify what the interior cabin space should be and the exoskeleton would be built around that. And "fitting in a small garage" would not be on the same first principle level as the "correct size for occupants."
When word came out the Cyber was shortened I didn't expect vital areas to take the hit. Tesla has it worded so it seems that the lost interior space is going to negligible... the loss is talked in terms of the length of the vehicle, but in actuality (if this was an honest declaration by Tesla) they would talk of the percentage of loss within the cabin itself. If you took 3.5 inches out of the rear legroom you might as well be in the backseat of the Model Y..

At one point, I thought he said about 3% overall, 1.5% in the cabin.

 

[TyPope]

Just going off on a tangent for a sec, if they ever wanted to do a remake of the old show "Knight Rider," Wouldn't CT make a good vehicle to use?

If you haven't seen the remake with the Mustang, it's worth a look. I enjoyed it quite a bit... and then they cancelled it.

 

[lukefrisbee]

If you haven't seen the remake with the Mustang, it's worth a look. I enjoyed it quite a bit... and then they cancelled it.

what "Mustang" was cancelled?

 

[Blue Steel]

what "Mustang" was cancelled?

The Mustang wasn't cancelled. The remake of Knight Rider (which featured a Mustang) was cancelled.

 

[Bigfoot DeLorean]

Again - for the “first principles” police...

Buying a first edition of a novel vehicle is already a risk. Version 2.0 will likely be better, as is usually the case with everything. Despite attempts, it’s practically impossible to design the “immaculate” car/truck that needs no improvements.

I LOVE the fact that they continue to tweak. Communicating with us is also great, but comes along with the criticism from some folks who somehow believe the first specs were unable to be improved upon.

First Principles are just priorities, right? From there you make concessions on everything else. Well, since I have an underlying faith in Tesla wanting to make their product the beat it can be, AND since we don’t know much when it comes to details on ANYTHING, I have to believe that tweaks in size (and anything else) have very clear benefits that we’ll know more about later. Those benefits may not benefit YOU...but they should be generally good for most.

So until I see something about a curvy or painted body, a hugely reduced range, or other changes like that, I’m happy that they are trying their best to make it more of a second version at the start as opposed to fixing clear issues in the next iteration.

I can’t wait for them to put up real specs with real options...my wallet is probably dreading that day though... ?. Stay safe y’all

 

[lukefrisbee]

My issue was simply in Tesla/Elon either NOT establishing clear "first principles," or abandoning them so people with small garages can buy a vehicle that was designed based on first principles and then abandoned.
TESLA is the "FIRST PRINCIPLES" Police. It is their mantra. And it makes me pause when I see them changing specs od significant aspects after the fact.

 

[Blue Steel]

My issue was simply in Tesla/Elon either NOT establishing clear "first principles," or abandoning them so people with small garages can buy a vehicle that was designed based on first principles and then abandoned.
TESLA is the "FIRST PRINCIPLES" Police. It is their mantra. And it makes me pause when I see them changing specs od significant aspects after the fact.

I'm still not convinced that the specs have changed. At the reveal they told us the production length will be 232", but the prototype that was shown was clearly longer than 232". Then in February Elon said the truck had been changed and will look slightly better. This firestorm was started when someone recently asked Elon what the biggest change was from the prototype, and he said it's 3% smaller. I think the originally published specs (232" length) are still correct. We just don't know what the shorter truck looks like, other than "slightly better".

 

[Miralf]

I'm still not convinced that the specs have changed. At the reveal they told us the production length will be 232", but the prototype that was shown was clearly longer than 232". Then in February Elon said the truck had been changed and will look slightly better. This firestorm was started when someone recently asked Elon what the biggest change was from the prototype, and he said it's 3% smaller. I think the originally published specs (232" length) are still correct. We just don't know what the shorter truck looks like, other than "slightly better".

How muchdo you presume the unveiling cybertruck length was ?

 

[Blue Steel]

How muchdo you presume the unveiling cybertruck length was ?

Longer than an F-150. Around 240" I think.

 

[Dids]

Longer than an F-150. Around 240" I think.

This guy does a nice analysis of length.

 

[Timoj]

So? You do realize they designed the Cyber, not me.
Ask them if they designed it the way they did originally. I had faith that they used "First Principles" when determining the interior dimensions of the cabin. And now they've significantly reduced those dimensions by 3.5 inches? So the percentage of the interior space "reduced" from the original "first Principles" was just so people with tiny garages can buy a now smaller Vehicle?
That does not sound like what Elon Prides himself on.
My only shred of hope is that the design team just screwed up and didn't take into account turning radius, but then why take so much from the interior passenger space?
OR, it seems like from what I read on here, the "Marketing team" decided more vehicles could be sold if they abandoned First Principles and made it smaller so more people would buy it. That sounds just like something Ford would do.

If you recall from many of Elon’s presentations, answers are generally much easier to find than the right question. This is the start point identifying first principles.

Adjusting to market limitations is part of first principles thinking. Yes, Cybertruck is the vehicle people didn’t know they needed. So to enable the amazing utility it needs to be “of a size” but not constrained to a specific overall dimension.
Adjusting dimensions does not violate first principles thinking.

Like the difference between a cardboard box or a wooden box the dimensions are irrelevant to the ingenuity of the design or the requirements of its use.

 

[Timoj]

FSD might be up to $25k by the time Cybertruck launches. At the current price it may as well be free.

 

[hridge2020]

If you recall from many of Elon’s presentations answers are generally much easier to find than the right question. This is the start point identifying first principles.

Adjusting to market limitations is part of first principles thinking. Yes, Cybertruck is the vehicle people didn’t know they needed. So to enable the amazing utility it needs to be “of a size” but not constrained to a specific overall dimension.
Adjusting dimensions does not violate first principles thinking.

Like the difference between a cardboard box or a wooden box the dimensions are irrelevant to the ingenuity of the design or the requirements of its use.

I would use the term, " like an aluminum car and a stainless steel car". lol