CyberTruck App Virtual

[hridge2020]

Hi, not promoting this APP, just found this item, and sharing the knowledge.

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[nordenvonthule]

I gotta have that Droid

 

[alan auerbach]

I gotta have that Droid

(Not sure where this post belongs.)

Would it be possible to prevent communications between one's vehicle and Tesla? (Not that I'd want to; just curious.)

Could not a good hacker bypass Tesla's security and do a phony communication?

When Tesla sends a worldwide update electronically to their vehicles, or extracts info from them, where do the messages originate from and go back to?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Hi, not promoting this APP, just found this item, and sharing the knowledge.

Cool, but mixed reviews, and not updated in a year.

 

[ajdelange]

(Not sure where this post belongs.)

Would it be possible to prevent communications between one's vehicle and Tesla? (Not that I'd want to; just curious.)

Yes. Park it in a screen room. To what end?

Could not a good hacker bypass Tesla's security and do a phony communication?

Probably. To what end?

When Tesla sends a worldwide update electronically to their vehicles, or extracts info from them, where do the messages originate from and go back to?

A server or series of servers whose locations are probably kept secret for security reasons.

 

[Crissa]

Communications are keyed to a pre-set rotating code. So it could be possible to fool the car into thinking it's talking to their servers, but it would a massive amount of processing power to decode what the appropriate code would be at any point in time.

That's why the keyfob reprogramming trick was possible - and why they'll be able to patch it out.

-Crissa

 

[alan auerbach]

(Not sure where this post belongs.)

Would it be possible to prevent communications between one's vehicle and Tesla? (Not that I'd want to; just curious.)

Could not a good hacker bypass Tesla's security and do a phony communication?

When Tesla sends a worldwide update electronically to their vehicles, or extracts info from them, where do the messages originate from and go back to?

Yes. Park it in a screen room. To what end?

Probably. To what end?

A server or series of servers whose locations are probably kept secret for security reasons.

To what end AJ? Suppose an owner did not want to leave any evidence of where or how he drove, or a malicious hacker just wanted to cause problems.

 

[ldjessee]

Remove the cellular modem or break it (I have seen people purposefully make circuit boards specific components fail by using static shocks to damage specific components... or a solder tool).

If it is a module and the car would work without it, could remove it. If it was not the component that did WiFi, would need to address that as well.

And not take it in or have service done, I am sure plugging in would allow Tesla to download that data.

I could see Supercharging not working after a while with no communication with Tesla.

 

[Crissa]

Superchargers have network capability.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

To what end AJ? Suppose an owner did not want to leave any evidence of where or how he drove, or a malicious hacker just wanted to cause problems.

Maybe this person is a new unabomber and has nefarious intentions so doesn’t want any internet footprint. I knew a guy once that said cameras on every street post were ok with him because he had nothing to hide. Ok, two extremes neither of which define the majority of us...

 

[craz]

As consumers we trust that Tesla has done their due diligence to design a system which shields safety-critical functions from tampering, but no computer or network is impenetrable.

In regards to privacy, there’s probably a line in the T&C’s which describes what liberties Tesla can take with your personal data, i.e locations etc. I don’t think there’s a precedent of Tesla providing personal info as result of subpoena but maybe that stuff isn’t public. I’m confident Tesla will readily provide those details to the CCP for its China-make cars, however. Simply the cost of doing business there.

 

[ldjessee]

As consumers we trust that Tesla has done their due diligence to design a system which shields safety-critical functions from tampering, but no computer or network is impenetrable.

In regards to privacy, there’s probably a line in the T&C’s which describes what liberties Tesla can take with your personal data, i.e locations etc. I don’t think there’s a precedent of Tesla providing personal info as result of subpoena but maybe that stuff isn’t public. I’m confident Tesla will readily provide those details to the CCP for its China-make cars, however. Simply the cost of doing business there.

The fact they promote people to try to hack and offer prizes for said hacks gets them some leeway from me. They have also taken steps with every breech in security to address it.

I think they are trying to make their platform more secure, but their stance being counter to right-to-repair I do not like.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

The fact they promote people to try to hack and offer prizes for said hacks gets them some leeway from me. They have also taken steps with every breech in security to address it.

I think they are trying to make their platform more secure, but their stance being counter to right-to-repair I do not like.

In this case right to repair probably requires opening up their software to some extent, and that would compromise the security of the platform. You would hate Apple for the same reason I bet. So the question is whether right to repair can be modular in which case the modules might be designed in a way that they don’t compromise the platform. You can get an iPhone screen replaced just about anywhere. Is that what you have in mind?

 

[ldjessee]

In this case right to repair probably requires opening up their software to some extent, and that would compromise the security of the platform. You would hate Apple for the same reason I bet. So the question is whether right to repair can be modular in which case the modules might be designed in a way that they don’t compromise the platform. You can get an iPhone screen replaced just about anywhere. Is that what you have in mind?

I do not hate either Tesla nor Apple, but I also am not happy with both of their stances on the right to repair.
Software can be developed that is secure but does not keep a Tesla component from one car to be used on another car (such as when salvaging two cars to make one working car).

 

[Crissa]

On an EV, software incompatibilities are going to exist.

But lockouts should never.

-Crissa