"Wolverine Cybertruck"

[PLC]

When as a pedestrian you get hit by a truck, whether there are straight or rounded edges is not going to be your problem......you still got ran over by a truck

That's what common sense would tell you. But I don´t think these regulations are actually about pedestrians. The EU has a long history of complicating things by standards and laws to keep foreign competitors out of the domestic market. The members of those standards committees recruit mainly from the handful of market leading companies. These companies know exactly what the rules will be in several years. Those who are not invited to the committee, will be very late with their products. This USP is already widely undermined by the electric drivetrain (no tweaking on exhaust regulations every few years anymore). They won't let Tesla revolutionize the building of everlasting, supertough carbodies as well. At least not in the european market. Panel gaps is all they have left...

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[Luke42]

The EU has a long history of complicating things by standards and laws to keep foreign competitors out of the domestic market.

The US does that, too.

Harmonizing the US and EU automotive regs would be a doable engineering project, if it weren't for the mix of protectionism and jingoism attached to the topic.

 

[PLC]

The US does that, too.

Harmonizing the US and EU automotive regs would be a doable engineering project, if it weren't for the mix of protectionism and jingoism attached to the topic.

True words. And let's not forget the broad mass on each side of the big pond which is proud of their prejudices: US-cars are tanklike pollutionmachines and EU-cars are overpriced, underengined microcars. Even Musk adresses this state of mind when he points out the bulletproofness of the CT and the impossibility of the CT meeting EU-regs because of the trucks "greatness". A clever way to gain popularity in the US-redneck-fraction of truckbuyers, but a big loss for establishing the worldwide will to produce tough, affordable, corrosionresistant carbodies which can last at least as long as electric drivetrains and batteries. In the factor 2-5 extended lifetime of an electric car compared to a gasoline car lies a huge chunk of the potential sustainability of BEVs. No one will be truly interested in the advantages of a million miles batterie as long as the carbodies stay the same.

 

[Crissa]

I don't want to take away from your other great points, but...

Btw: the lower the edge the worse. A low edge throws the pedastrian onto the hood like a whip. The edge has to deform when hitting the pedastrian and ...

...And you're contradicting yourself and the pedestrian safety ratings. The pedestrian hit by a car can go up or down. Higher bumper pushes them down, to be crushed by the wheels and body, Lower pushes them up onto the hood, which can then springboard to absorb their impact.

And no, the hood and bumper don't have to dent to take damage; the shape merely has to deform. You can do that by placing the panel itself on a spring. And stainless steel makes pretty good springs. You just design it into the folds.

But the other option is make sure the vehIcle doesn't hit things in the first place.

-Crissa

 

[PLC]

I don't want to take away from your other great points, but...
...And you're contradicting yourself and the pedestrian safety ratings. The pedestrian hit by a car can go up or down. Higher bumper pushes them down, to be crushed by the wheels and body, Lower pushes them up onto the hood, which can then springboard to absorb their impact.

And no, the hood and bumper don't have to dent to take damage; the shape merely has to deform. You can do that by placing the panel itself on a spring. And stainless steel makes pretty good springs. You just design it into the folds.

But the other option is make sure the vehIcle doesn't hit things in the first place.

-Crissa

You are right. "The lower the hood the worse" is a way to simplified term and only true when the leading edge moves from low (sedan) to very low (lambo like). Pushing the pedastrian down (very high leading edge) is either worse. But I do not agree with your spring-theory. A just elastic bedded hood can never absorb energy, it just reflects the energy to be absorbed elsewhere (head on the concrete for example). The hood does not necessarily have to dent, but at least the joints of the hood to the body would have to. Some manufacturers already install airbags or lift the hood automatically several cm up to deliver some plastic travel (because of the very often limited room between hood and motor). There is plenty of room under the CT-hood, but a just modified hood for the international market would probably not be enough. I guess the front fenders are the main problem because they are structural and therefore impossible to bed soft and plastic. Maybe all around airbags would be the cheapest solution. Not as cheap as automatic braking and steering but - as I said above - they will never allow Musk a sollution in which Tesla is years ahead and Europe is years behind.

 

[Geo]

I think I see a couple of design elements that are a departure from the Original Cybertruck !
Might they belong to the Wolverine Cybertruck ?

Looks very interesting . . . . . Things that make you go Hmmmm

Now this has the proportions to kick ass at the Baja !

Looks like the tonneau cover has now become a retractable roof

The best of both an SUV and a Pickup with a huge strong tail gate giving an extra 2ft bed length when needed

Wolverine Rocks !

Changes include :

- Steeper belt line.
- Shallower angle of rear roof line.
- Tonneau Cover now a Retractable Roof.
- Over a foot taken off the back of the bed. ( perhaps more between rear wheels and cabin )
- Estimate the bed length reduced from 78" to approximately 60" - 62". (bed width approx 53")
- Tailgate no longer spans the full width.
- Doors are a little narrower.
- Rear passenger doors have the corner diagonally cut off.
- Camera’s for mirrors included ( need to be located lower, obscure vision forward )
- Front “grille” panel no longer vertical but leans forward.
- Euro compliant vertical rear taillights
- Front light bar has ends a little more pronounced as individual lights
- Larger Frunk.
- Smaller Windscreen
( I doubt this will be reduced this much, if at all. I hope all windows as big as possible )
- Spot lights in the bumper bar
- Tow ring/shackles in the front bumper bar
- External compartment above rear wheels.
- Wet gear compartment in the “sails”
- "Sail covers" look to be configurable. ( May even be able to fold down ! )
- Spare tyre attached to the tailgate
- Total width looks a little narrower
- Recess's in the wheel arch flares for fasteners.
(reminiscent of Bathurst A9X Torana, Aussies will love that.)

In the immortal words of Homer, "Shut up and take my money"

Elon : " Kind Of Smaller, . . . Tight Wolverine Package "



Post Edit 13th Feb 2021

While its understandable there are Telsa advocates on this site, including myself, there are also a few sycophants, “astro turfers” who cant tolerate any criticism or certain embarrasing facts.

For instance I posted a copy of tweet that was deleted ! It was of @LFCTITLERECORDS on the 28th of Jan, where he noted Telsa people rang to tell him the Cybertruck will be smaller. 2 weeks before Elon’s utterance on JRE podcast.

But I’ll have another attempt here at the truth.

Since I’ve seen the rise in discourse of Cybertruck reservation holders, with Elon overtly missing the timeframe to announce details and photo’s.

And the back to confusion about dimensions. Twice ! Once in April 2020, and then again on Nov. 1st 2020, when he advised,
“sure, in a month or so “


Facts at Cybertruck Reveal 19th Nov. 2019.

Dimensions: L: 231.7”, W: 79.8”, H:75” - 67 “ (ride height adjustable 4” in both directions from nominal ), Ground Clearance: 16” max.

Unknowns :
Wipers ? Mirrors ? Battery size ?
Rest of World Cybertruck Spec’s ( To be determined upon valuation of demand, per order page disclaimer.)

Elon statements since the reveal :

• Will make an approx. 73” wide Cybertruck for the rest of the world.
• Will make a Tight Wolverine Cybertruck for the rest of the world. “Its impossible” to make one truck to meet all requirements.
• Cybertruck will be about 3% smaller.
• Cybertruck will be about 5% smaller.
• Cybertruck will be smaller and bigger simultaneously !! ( We’ll make it smaller but the truck everyone rode in was actually bigger, about 82” wide !!)
• We will make it to original stated size .
  May 24, 2020
  Reviewed design with Franz last night. Even 3% smaller is too small. Will be pretty much this size. We’ll probably do a smaller, tight world truck at some point.
  
  
• We will make it about 3% smaller, (so it fits in the tunnel a little less snuggly )!

It’s clear without any dimensions now, his word is fairly hollow. There’s no clarity as to where the situation currently stands ! Is it now a 6 ft x 54.5" bed or is it still 6.5ft x 57" ? )

It is genuinely surprising and remarkable that he’s not mindful of all the uncertainty he’s spread through the Cybertruck fan base, who have actually paid money !


Granted it’s not a lot, but that is beside the point, it is a solid commitment, that at least entitles people to not be strung along with flip flopping strange uncertainty. For a vehicle that people are excited about, and he just reconfirmed he will start delivering in about 9 months !

Oh’ well, we little people look on with bemusement and await the next real or hollow utterance !

P.S. check out this Pickup, wow, it even has a mid gate.
I think it fits in the glove box of the Cybertruck . . . the bigger one at the reveal, not the one they gave dimensions to, and changed 5 times since then !

 

[PLC]

Just as the Wolverine extends its claws,
it's been suggested perhaps the Wolverine Cybertruck will have something about it,
that extends and retracts ! Sounds Cool.

I guess it will be an airbag. The hood lifts 10cm up and an all-around-airbag, covering the edges of the hood, the fenders, the "grill" and parts of the windscreen, extends automatically, when a pedestrian hits the front of the car.
Cool enough?
If not yet, type "new Volvo V40 pedestrian airbag" into youtube. You will be excited ;-)

 

[cybertrucktruckguy]

I am of the opinion that the 'Wolverine' will come sooner than many people think. Here's why:

1. Cybertruck is so far the most successful launch they've had.
2. According to Sandy Munro, the CT will be far easier to produce and require a much smaller factory footprint compared to regular stamped/painted vehicles.
3. The largest 'limiting factor' to new vehicles is battery production. Smaller vehicles require fewer batteries.
4. Outside of North America, the trucks that sell globally the best are the 'midsized' class (tacoma/ranger)
5. Despite their size, the mid-size trucks have a lot of pricing power making them quite profitable for the companies that make them.
6. Midsized trucks are one of the best performing segments in the industry right now. While most types of vehicle sales cratered during the first months of Covid, (Annual sales compared to last year through 5/10/20) the midsize truck category actually GREW on a year over year basis. Source: https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/midsize-pickups-auto-industry-s-new-mvps

Bottom line...this is a NO BRAINER for Tesla and considering they have MANY BRAINS at Tesla, one can assume this is at (or near) the top of their developmental list.

 

[Sirfun]

I am of the opinion that the 'Wolverine' will come sooner than many people think. Here's why:

1. Cybertruck is so far the most successful launch they've had.
2. According to Sandy Munro, the CT will be far easier to produce and require a much smaller factory footprint compared to regular stamped/painted vehicles.
3. The largest 'limiting factor' to new vehicles is battery production. Smaller vehicles require fewer batteries.
4. Outside of North America, the trucks that sell globally the best are the 'midsized' class (tacoma/ranger)
5. Despite their size, the mid-size trucks have a lot of pricing power making them quite profitable for the companies that make them.
6. Midsized trucks are one of the best performing segments in the industry right now. While most types of vehicle sales cratered during the first months of Covid, (Annual sales compared to last year through 5/10/20) the midsize truck category actually GREW on a year over year basis. Source: https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/midsize-pickups-auto-industry-s-new-mvps

Bottom line...this is a NO BRAINER for Tesla and considering they have MANY BRAINS at Tesla, one can assume this is at (or near) the top of their developmental list.

Plus a shorter wheelbase/lighter Wolverine would be the best choice for Baja.

 

[Daweism]

Plus a shorter wheelbase/lighter Wolverine would be the best choice for Baja.

It however must retain its width for Baja effectiveness.

 

[Geo]

It however must retain its width for Baja effectiveness.

Yes, you’re right, a wider footprint would be best at the Baja.

Since the wheels already stick out past the body and are covered by the wheel arch flares, there’s no necessary change required to the body, and its very easy to widen the footprint by even as much as 10 inch’s or more, by using :

A/ Wider wheels
B/ Wider wheel offsets
C/ Wheel spacers
D/ All of the above


Post Edit

E/ Some combination of the first 3 variables, in the most effective /suitable way possible.
(not the least ) And you can do it with just one of the 3 choices.

Note, if the Wolverine is made 76 inch wide, making up the 3.8 inch's to equal the Original CT width, through those 3 variables is really quite minor, its only 1.9 inch per side. Its no trouble making the Wolverine even wider than the Original Cybertruck if desired, while out for off-road racing occasions.

Also as the wheels already stick out past the steel panels, Hence the requirement of the Wheel Arch Flares in the first place.
Allowance from the factory needs to already be there to accomodate full compression of the suspension, otherwise it will be already smashing into the steel panel when stock from the factory !
I cant see this being the case.
Even knowing that they have put in 13-14 inch suspension travel in the Cybertruck.
(but that is from full bottom to full top)

 

[Daweism]

Yes, you’re right, a wider footprint would be best at the Baja.

Since the wheels already stick out past the body and are covered by the wheel arch flares, there’s no necessary change required to the body, and its very easy to widen the footprint by even as much as 10 inch’s or more, by using :

A/ Wider wheels
B/ Wider wheel offsets
C/ Wheel spacers
D/ All of the above

No one runs wheel spacers will doing any serious off-roading. It's literally the worst idea.

Also wider wheels / offsets will require after market fenders at a certain point for full articulation which will be a problem given the body type.

 

[Geo]

No one runs wheel spacers will doing any serious off-roading. It's literally the worst idea.

Also wider wheels / offsets will require after market fenders at a certain point for full articulation which will be a problem given the body type.

Enjoy, my good fellow

 

[Daweism]

Enjoy, my good fellow

I've done plenty of off-roading sir.

 

[Crissa]

The smaller truck will not want to be wide to fit into old-world places.

-Crissa