Will the Cybertruck be allowed to drive in Europe?

[Crissa]

Any idea how something like the Cybertruck would fare in a crash test - do cars still have to have crumple zones over there - just wondering if bulletproof s/steel would absorb frontal energy by deformation?

Of course it will have crumple zones. That's just a matter of building in failure points. The amount of pressure in an accident is massive!

-Crissa

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[Geo]

Just wondering now that Elon has confirmed "its impossible" for the full size Cybertruck to pass Euro Regulations and be homologated for sale in the general market there
(and related markets, like Australia)

Will the Hummer EV to be revealed in 3 weeks, make a point of and announce that it will meet
Euro Reg's and be sold in Europe ?

Will people wait for the reveal of the Wolverine Cybertruck ?

Will the Hummer ev reveal, influence the timing of the Wolverine Cybertruck reveal ?

Can we expect Tesla to reveal the Wolverine Cybertruck soon ?

(VW scheduled the announcement of the new ID4 the day after battery day, coincidence !
It sold out in a day.)
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Just putting in the following for the people who wallow in that river in Egypt, "Da' Nile"

Your comprehension needs serious help, or more likely you have some peculiar prejudice to the smaller Cybertruck that’s in the works, and now Elon’s given a definitive cool name to it.

Here’s what ELON said specifically. From Q & A of the presentation at Battery Day 22/9/2020.

Elon Musk : " We are designing the CT to meet the American Spec,

Cos if you try to design a car to meet the Global spec . . . the super set of global requirements, it basically . . .

YOU CANT MAKE THE CYBERTRUCK, ITS IMPOSSIBLE . So it really is designed for the American market. . .

And then I think for . . . we’ll probably make an international version of Cybertruck, kind of smaller,

like a tighter Wolverine Package.

It’ll still be cooler, but it’ll be smaller cos you just can’t make a giant truck like that for most markets, so yep its gonna be great. "

 

[restyle]

Will people wait for the reveal of the Wolverine Cybertruck ?

Only problem with waiting is working out what car to get for the next 3 yrs - my estimate of it arriving in to the UK.
Been weighing up Model3 vs Polestar2 vs Hyundai 45 - Currently Polestar 2 just ahead

 

[Geo]

I think there's a good chance the Wolverine Cybertruck will be produced at the same time as the full size CT.
So maybe the wait won't be too different.
But we'll all have to wait for the Wolverine CT reveal to see for sure.
Most peoples place in the queue is after 2023 anyway too . . . unless you ordered in the first 4 days.

P.S. At least you have a back up plan, although your alternative choices are quite a deviation from a 231.7 inch pick up truck.

 

[Crissa]

Just wondering now that Elon has confirmed "its impossible" for the full size Cybertruck to pass Euro Regulations...

No, he said it was impossible in some places. Which is normal.

Will the Hummer EV to be revealed in 3 weeks, make a point of and announce that it will meet
Euro Reg's and be sold in Europe ?

Why would they do that?

-Crissa

 

[restyle]

P.S. At least you have a back up plan, although your alternative choices are quite a deviation from a 231.7 inch pick up truck.

Yeah, but there again, for some reason I've never considered the Cybertruck as a Pickup Truck.
Pickup trucks just aren't that big a thing over here - although, I probably see 3 or 4 a day when in town.
The majority of students at the local agricultural university generally drive regular saloons & Land Rovers (when they're not self isolating)

 

[Luke42]

Why would they do that?

GM will have an easier time turning the Hummer truck into a world product than Tesla would, should GM choose to pursue that option.

One of the benefits of a large bureaucratic organization like GM is that their homologation department probably has the resources to make every product pass without being the long pole on the schedule. These big/complex organizations are good at dotting every i and crossing every t, which is why they exist -- despite the tradeoffs. (People, especially SV business types, love to talk about the negative tradeoffs -- but they often feign ignorance of why smart-competent people at big companies organize things the way they do.). GM has an advantage when it comes to homologation and regulatory compliance.

Tesla's situation is quite different.

They have no reason to do things the way GM does, and they lack the apparatus to do so. Instead, it makes sense for Tesla to be nimble about the product and maximize the benefit they can from that agility.

I took Musk's comment about not being an to adapt the Cybertruck to world markets to mean that the truck's Design would have to be changed in easy he didn't like to make it a World product.

The other side of Musk's Cybertruck comment is that the Cybertruck's relative simplicity means that Tesla should be able to make vehicles in a variety of shapes and sizes using a common technological core (AKA platform engineering). Providing more sizes and shapes of Cyber vehicles is more important for the CT than it is for a conventional pickup trucks, especially when it comes to chasing niches.

So, I expect the Wolverine Cybertruck to be quite different from the American Cybertruck -- but to be built from basically the same stuff. And I expect CyberSUV and Cyber Van variants to follow quickly. There's every reason the Cyber platform can be a serious competitor to GMT T1XX and GMT 31XX platforms (the current version of the GMT 700 and GMT 900 platforms) -- once they have enough models on different shapes and sizes needed to cover the range of applications.

For those unfamiliar with these platforms GM's big vehicles (Silverado/Sierra/Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/Escalade/etc and to a lesser extent the Colorado/Canyon) are high-margin high-volume low-MPG vehicles -- and so this cash-cow of a platform is an ideal target for Tesla at this point in their growth.

 

[CybertronUK]

Only problem with waiting is working out what car to get for the next 3 yrs - my estimate of it arriving in to the UK.
Been weighing up Model3 vs Polestar2 vs Hyundai 45 - Currently Polestar 2 just ahead

I have the same issue. For me the criteria is as much as where the vehicle is made as the specification.

 

[restyle]

I have the same issue. For me the criteria is as much as where the vehicle is made as the specification.

I'll bite ...... So where would you like it to be made?

I could be wrong, but guessing that as like me, your in the UK so you'd also like to wave the flag & buy a British car.

Most of my vehicles have been UK built -
Austins, Morris's & Triumph's in the 70's
Dutton Phaeton & Langridge Navajo in the 80's (British Kitcars)
Renault, Citroen's (x3), & Honda in the 90's (....I strayed)
Then BMW MINI (x3) & LandRover for the last 20 years (All British built)

After the electronic steering rack failed on the Evoque (ffs - who designs a £3000 rack), I just started researching what were the most reliable cars in the UK today - It was the Hyundai i10 at the time.

So I decided my next car would have to be heavily weighted towards "Reliability"

Therefore:
Priority 1 - An all electric car
Priority 2 - Must not look boring
1+2= Cybertruck!!
... but that's at least 3 years away...so present contenders ... & I just don't care anymore where they're designed or built
VW - id3/id4 - Audi e-tron - (too boring)
BMW i4 - Jaguar iPace - Porsche Taycan - (too expensive)
Polestar2 - Hyundai 45 - Tesla Model 3 (a little bit boring) - Ford Mach-E = The Present contenders

 

[Luke42]

I have the same issue. For me the criteria is as much as where the vehicle is made as the specification.

Here in the US, I bought a 2010 GMC Sierra Hybrid to hold me over until I can get the Cybertruck. My wife insisted that I be able to service her trucking needs this summer. There are more efficient trucks available, but those trucks command new-truck prices. This one was (relatively) cheap and nice, and will cover my needs until the CT (or the F-150 EV) becomes available.

Driving a full-sized pickup truck would be daunting to me in UK I've visited (The Lake District, Edinburgh). However, it looks like there are people who do it in the UK. (I live in the American Midwest.) If you can get a used Ford F-150 in the UK, it might be worth spending some time with it to see if it can go where you need to go?

Maybe one like this?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202008072199548
This one would comparable to the Cybertruck in most respects: it's a 4-door luxury truck.

All of the F-150s I see on the UK AutoTrader have wrong-side-for-the-UK steering -- I'm not sure how you feel about that. Also, 93k miles is a fairly reasonable number of miles for a used F-150 in the US (these trucks last 200k+ miles here), but that assumes that you have the same engine/gearbox we use here and also mechanics who are familiar with the vehicle. There are a lot of potential dealbreakers.

But, it's an option.

Driving a full sized pickup truck in the UK might be really unpleasant -- or really awesome. I don't know. It strikes me that it would be a good idea to try it out on a cheaper used truck before dropping big money on the Cybertruck, though.

 

[CybertronUK]

I'll bite ...... So where would you like it to be made?

I could be wrong, but guessing that as like me, your in the UK so you'd also like to wave the flag & buy a British car.

Most of my vehicles have been UK built -
Austins, Morris's & Triumph's in the 70's
Dutton Phaeton & Langridge Navajo in the 80's (British Kitcars)
Renault, Citroen's (x3), & Honda in the 90's (....I strayed)
Then BMW MINI (x3) & LandRover for the last 20 years (All British built)

After the electronic steering rack failed on the Evoque (ffs - who designs a £3000 rack), I just started researching what were the most reliable cars in the UK today - It was the Hyundai i10 at the time.

So I decided my next car would have to be heavily weighted towards "Reliability"

Therefore:
Priority 1 - An all electric car
Priority 2 - Must not look boring
1+2= Cybertruck!!
... but that's at least 3 years away...so present contenders ... & I just don't care anymore where they're designed or built
VW - id3/id4 - Audi e-tron - (too boring)
BMW i4 - Jaguar iPace - Porsche Taycan - (too expensive)
Polestar2 - Hyundai 45 - Tesla Model 3 (a little bit boring) - Ford Mach-E = The Present contenders

Actually it wasn't flag waving, I have a Nissan and a Toyota. Just like to use my spending deservedly.

I really like the Mustang too, not available yet, so going to lease until the market and range options really opens up in the next 12 to 18 momths.

I hope to see how Nissan's new offering fairs and surely some more big ICE companies have got stuff in the pipeline yet to be announced.

 

[CybertronUK]

Here in the US, I bought a 2010 GMC Sierra Hybrid to hold me over until I can get the Cybertruck. My wife insisted that I be able to service her trucking needs this summer. There are more efficient trucks available, but those trucks command new-truck prices. This one was (relatively) cheap and nice, and will cover my needs until the CT (or the F-150 EV) becomes available.

Driving a full-sized pickup truck would be daunting to me in UK I've visited (The Lake District, Edinburgh). However, it looks like there are people who do it in the UK. (I live in the American Midwest.) If you can get a used Ford F-150 in the UK, it might be worth spending some time with it to see if it can go where you need to go?

Maybe one like this?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202008072199548
This one would comparable to the Cybertruck in most respects: it's a 4-door luxury truck.

All of the F-150s I see on the UK AutoTrader have wrong-side-for-the-UK steering -- I'm not sure how you feel about that. Also, 93k miles is a fairly reasonable number of miles for a used F-150 in the US (these trucks last 200k+ miles here), but that assumes that you have the same engine/gearbox we use here and also mechanics who are familiar with the vehicle. There are a lot of potential dealbreakers.

But, it's an option.

Driving a full sized pickup truck in the UK might be really unpleasant -- or really awesome. I don't know. It strikes me that it would be a good idea to try it out on a cheaper used truck before dropping big money on the Cybertruck, though.

I have loved full size pickups, ever since I lived in the US, for a short spell. They are just not really an option in the UK due to the gas prices and for me taxes as a company car driver.

Once the F150 ev is available, I would definitely consider it.

 

[Crissa]

GM's size seems less likely to produce the agility to shift the Hummer if the EU is barring big trucks.

They failed before.

-Crissa

 

[Geo]

" if the EU is barring big trucks. "


-Crissa

So your suggesting, the EU is barring "big trucks" ! ASTOUNDING ! Simply WOW !

With the greatest of respect.
I'd suggest you're wrong, the EU is not barring big trucks.
I'd also suggest that your wrong, the Cybertruck and the Hummer ev (2ft shorter than Cybertruck) are not considered "big trucks" (big by car size standard only, not big at all, by Truck size)

So no, I don't think this is a big revelation, but trucks are very much allowed in the EU !

ASTOUNDING ! Simply WOW !

And once again, for the record, the Cybertruck as Elon has confirmed, "its impossible" for it to pass the EU regs. Is not, I repeat is not, simply a function of its size. It is about ALL the EU reg's in their entirety and NOT, I repeat NOT a function of its size alone.

 

[Crissa]

So your suggesting, the EU is barring "big trucks" !

I'm pretty tired of your straw man arguments and unsupported assertions of fact.

You quoted my phrase. Nowhere did I assert that the EU was banning anything.

You on the other hand, have asserted multiple times that the Cybertruck can't pass some specific regulation and yet never actually point out which regulation it's failing and how that makes it different than an Escalade.

Because Tesla and Musk have never specified anything other than it won't pass in some places. Well, no duh, you can't put it in many places. For example, some prefectures in Japan allow full-sized pickup trucks as farm equipment, but most do not. The EU has the same regard to vehicle size and weight.

And besides, there's not even a target release quarter for the Y in the UK yet. And I can't find one for the EU, either. They have quite the demand to chew through before everyone gets their Tesla.

-Crissa