F150 Powerboost Hybrid

[jerhenderson]

Please let me know the name of the insurance company.
(I believe it has something to do with states that don’t have a lot of Tesla’s, in Alabama where I currently live There are less than 500 I believe it’s like also I listen to the all Tesla podcast (Ride The Lightning) a lot of Tesla owners complain about how fast the tires wear out and not just because of the HP

please let me know the name of the insurance co. In Alabama where I current live there are less than 500 Tesla’s in the state. You have to purchase one outside of the state. So as I heard Elon mention on ride the lightning podcast, insurance companies charge a premium because of the unknown with Tesla vehicles And he talked about insuring Teslas thru out the United States. Which would be great. Also the longevity of the tires was something I heard owners complain about on ride the lightning podcast

The insurance is in Canada where I'm from - very comparable to ICE insurance but still a little cheaper. As for tires, meh. They all wear out sooner or later, and if you have a heavy foot they'll go even faster.

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[jerhenderson]

Range is king, while time and accessibility to fuel up is a secondary but mandatory consideration. I don't own different vehicle for different purposes. I've found it's usually not economical taking into account the purchase cost of an additional vehicle, the maintenance for the additional vehicle and the insurance for the additional vehicle. My truck is my daily commuter, road tripper, camping, hunting vehicle. Range really isn't that important if you're buying an EV just for the daily commute. But if it's your everything vehicle it's very important. The 500 mile range in the tri-motor Cybertruck is basically the minimum EV range I would consider for an everything truck.

Taking that into account, I would not write off the F150 hybrid. I get that it's not a mind blowing improvement over what is currently available and I haven't seen a price yet, but I think it's safe to assume it will be in the $60k neighborhood at the King Ranch level, (which is the lowest trim with the available lay flat seats...which I really really like.) and if you assume the F150 hybrid is as capable as every other 1/2 ton currently available (so it meets your needs...unless you NEED to go 0-60 in 2.9 seconds) and if the Cybertruck cost to insure is basically a wash vs typical ICE truck gas cost, then what is the next criteria to use? 700 miles of range and a 15 minute 100% fill time at readily available fill stations vs 500 miles of range and what...45-60 minute 75% fill time at limited locations (I don't know if that's accurate for the Cybertruck)?

I know the criteria is debatable and what is important to one person, another person may not care about, but to me, these trucks and their price vs convenience, capability and costs is worth discussing. I'm a prior F250 owner and current F150 owner who put down an early deposit on a tri-motor Cybertruck. I'm looking forward to the release of info on the electric F150 and I'll end up with one of these in the next few years. I'll choose the one that meets my needs (4x4 or AWD with at least 500 miles of range and at least a 6.5' bed with at least a extended cab) and makes the best economic sense to me. There are a ton of things I LOVE about the Cybertruck. But the 500 miles of range still gives me a little anxiety when it comes to hunting trips and it would be an annoyance on road trips. I think I can make it work, but more range at the same price would be better. Until then, ICE is still a competitor. Especially when they're going further from full to E for less cost to own up front.

Your range anxiety with 500 miles and vehicle usage are not what normal people would expect. After 500 miles of driving im ready for a rest stop and dinner, which is suitable recharge time. Charge stations aren't so rare - the challenge I've seen tends to be that people don't know what to look for. I've had coworkers express the same concern to me, unaware they can charge at home or at the 9 stations in town they didn't know existed.

 

[lancethibault]

I recognize that I'm probably in the minority when it comes to 500 miles being a minimum requirement, but the number of people that will actually own a Cybertruck in the next few years is also a minority of truck owners. The range anxiety I have isn't so much for the road trips, it's for the hunting and non-campground trips where power is not readily available. The limit of 500 EV miles for a road is just an inconvenience to me that I would have to plan differently for compared to the way I plan now. Especially verses a truck that could get me 700 gas fueled miles which is actually more of a convenience vs the 500 I currently get. We make an annual trip from Colorado Springs to St. Louis. Sometimes trips from Colorado Springs to the great U.P. of Michigan. My old F250 (w/3 tanks) could make that trip to St. Louis without stopping, so I was only limited by my bladder. Those stops where measured in terms of single digit minutes...not hr+ stops. I don't mind driving straight though for 12 hrs (which also happens to be about the drive time from Colorado Springs to Las Vegas). With a capable drive partner 24 hr straight through drives have been done (with short pit stops for food/gas). Time spent on the road is time spent not on vacation...and every hr counts, so range and the ability to quickly refuel is still important.

 

[lancethibault]

After 500 miles of driving im ready for a rest stop and dinner, which is suitable recharge time.

Just curious. After ~450 miles of driving, how long are you willing to stop before getting back on the road?

 

[alexbeau]

OMG, look at the crap Ford is trying to compete with, for an onboard generator. At the very end of the article it mentions that the gas engine has to be running to get power. HAHAHA that sounds intelligent, use your truck engine as a generator! "Using two conventional 12-volt batteries in addition to the standard battery". Hmmm, every 36-48 months, go buy new batteries? BUT, this made me think how awesome the Cybertruck sytem will be for me. I'll probably have a mini fridge mounted in the back. Who knows maybe a TV on a swivel mount attached to the inside of the L-Track? You can buy a nice, 32" smart TV for $120. Cybertruck can't come fast enough!

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a32970167/f-150-generator-pro-power-onboard/

Them calling the setup a "generator" is misleading in my opinion. Actually it's just an inverter and the power comes from idling your engine. The inverter on the non-hybrid models is like 2 or 2.4kw. I have a 3kw inverter I put in my truck DIY for $300. It's the easiest install ever. You literally bolt it down and run a positive and negative directly to the battery. After that, you flip the "on" switch and you have onboard power.

The hybrid model comes with a 7.2kw inverter which is a little more impressive but could still be accomplished pretty easily with a two battery setup and two inverters, as long as your alternator was powerful enough.

Either way, it blows my mind that a simple inverter is considered revolutionary. Shows the lack of progress in the truck market. Also, the fact that you have to put more hours on your engine and burn gas anyway is annoying. People buying these trucks on the used market better look into engine hours, because if people use this feature, that will be a LOT of idling which doesn't increase the mileage, but definitely contributes to wear and tear.

Ultimately, I'm not impressed with this "generator" nonsense.

 

[Ehninger1212]

Them calling the setup a "generator" is misleading in my opinion. Actually it's just an inverter and the power comes from idling your engine. The inverter on the non-hybrid models is like 2 or 2.4kw. I have a 3kw inverter I put in my truck DIY for $300. It's the easiest install ever. You literally bolt it down and run a positive and negative directly to the battery. After that, you flip the "on" switch and you have onboard power.

The hybrid model comes with a 7.2kw inverter which is a little more impressive but could still be accomplished pretty easily with a two battery setup and two inverters, as long as your alternator was powerful enough.

Either way, it blows my mind that a simple inverter is considered revolutionary. Shows the lack of progress in the truck market. Also, the fact that you have to put more hours on your engine and burn gas anyway is annoying. People buying these trucks on the used market better look into engine hours, because if people use this feature, that will be a LOT of idling which doesn't increase the mileage, but definitely contributes to wear and tear.

Ultimately, I'm not impressed with this "generator" nonsense.

I thought the molded in ruler on the tailgate was cool. We can get one of those etched into the CT tailgate!

 

[alexbeau]

I thought the molded in ruler on the tailgate was cool. We can get one of those etched into the CT tailgate!

I agree that was somewhat interesting, but maybe a little gimmicky for most buyers. Laser etching the steel would be kind of fun though.

 

[jerhenderson]

Just curious. After ~450 miles of driving, how long are you willing to stop before getting back on the road?

After 10 hours I'm ready to get a hotel, so the 60 minute charge is irrelevant to me