California Bans Sale of New Gasoline-Powered Passenger Vehicles Starting 2035

[TI4Dan]

I think Governor Newsom has put the cart before the horse, It would be a beautiful thing if all California vehicles are EV's. The limiting factor here is the grid and lack of power generation. In the heat of the summer with peak demands they have rolling blackouts.
In 2018 California used 285,488 Gwh and had to import
90,647 Gwh. There are approximately 15.1 million vehicles in the state and 256,800 are EV,s. California is unable to supply the current demand for electricity, what is the plan to come up
60000 Gwh? ( base on 4000 kwh per year of a average EV driver)
The state is in a 90000 Gwh deficit now. Of course all cars will not change immediately but who is going to pay for all that clean power? Many western states still have coal fired plants as California also has. My electricity rates went up and some of it comes from the Bonneville Dam, I live in Montana. I also read were the Northwest could have rolling blackouts too. I don't use electricity to heat my home but I need it for my furnace in the winter. Yeah sounds so damn simple till we have to sit in the Dark.

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[Newton]

I see huge solar projects and large windmills being installed a lot. Perhaps where I am in ca it's a special case, but solar and wind is cheaper and easier now then traditional power plants, if what I hear is correct. I suspect it will be changing over at about the same timeline.
Hopefully.

 

[Crissa]

California is unable to supply the current demand for electricity, what is the plan to come up
60000 Gwh? ( base on 4000 kwh per year of a average EV driver)

EVs nearly all don't charge during prime time.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...senger-vehicles-starting-2035.1684/post-25989

-Crissa

 

[RedCoast]

This is stupid.

I love the cybertruck and tesla but government mandates like this do not advance technology they actually hold it back. I am not buying a Tesla car because it is saving the environment I am buying it because it is objectively a better car compared to the others available.

This mandate will hurt the poorest in society and delay the advance of technology.

 

[Dids]

This is stupid.

I love the cybertruck and tesla but government mandates like this do not advance technology they actually hold it back. I am not buying a Tesla car because it is saving the environment I am buying it because it is objectively a better car compared to the others available.

This mandate will hurt the poorest in society and delay the advance of technology.

The poorest rarely buy new vehicles. It will be another 20 years after the ban before there will be no ICE used available.

 

[Newton]

The poorest rarely buy new vehicles. It will be another 20 years after the ban before there will be no ICE used available.

Agreed, plently of gas cars will available for a long time.

Also I dont see how this could possible hurt the lowest income people, only help. Making sellers only sell evs means companies will have to invest in ev related things... more supply for cars, batteries, charging stations, etc. thus making It potentially cheaper.

 

[TI4Dan]

EVs nearly all don't charge during prime time.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...senger-vehicles-starting-2035.1684/post-25989

-Crissa

I understand EV owners do not align all charging needs at the same time, California is importing electricity to cover the current shortage. When I looked into how California,Oregon,Washington and Montana are producing electricity I found a surprising amount came from coal. The western grid operator is responsible for delivering power to western states. They are not able to supply the current power requirements under extreme loads. California does produce an incredible amount of power but the growth outpaced the ability to provide energy. Solar generation contributes 13.99% and wind generators add another 7.23% to California's total state production. This shows the current effort of electrical production in some of the renewable capabilities. The largest group of Hydro power is in the western states which are owned and operated by the Army Corps of Engineers or the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation.
When I started to look into the idea of replacing ice vehicles, I had no idea of how much power we all need and were it comes from. California is not the only state that is embarking on this quest of complete EV adoption. Oregon and Washington also have initiatives to encourage EV adoption. The problem of power production effects all of us and it is possibly on a Federal level to upgrade our future production. I don't know how we are going to solve the problem but it always comes down to cost vs production performance.

 

[GnarlyDudeLive]

I understand EV owners do not align all charging needs at the same time, California is importing electricity to cover the current shortage. When I looked into how California,Oregon,Washington and Montana are producing electricity I found a surprising amount came from coal. The western grid operator is responsible for delivering power to western states. They are not able to supply the current power requirements under extreme loads. California does produce an incredible amount of power but the growth outpaced the ability to provide energy. Solar generation contributes 13.99% and wind generators add another 7.23% to California's total state production. This shows the current effort of electrical production in some of the renewable capabilities. The largest group of Hydro power is in the western states which are owned and operated by the Army Corps of Engineers or the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation.
When I started to look into the idea of replacing ice vehicles, I had no idea of how much power we all need and were it comes from. California is not the only state that is embarking on this quest of complete EV adoption. Oregon and Washington also have initiatives to encourage EV adoption. The problem of power production effects all of us and it is possibly on a Federal level to upgrade our future production. I don't know how we are going to solve the problem but it always comes down to cost vs production performance.

Love it or Hate it: There may be an opportunity for carbon based power plants in the future once EV's take a firm foothold and displace most petrol based vehicles via an offset advantage. As I (poorly) understand it, a current carbon based power plant can produce roughly 300 miles of EV range at roughly the same emissions costs that a petrol based car does traveling 100 miles. Is it perfect? No, but it is way better than were we stand today or in the foreseeable near future. Petrol Power plants are far more efficient than a size and weight constrained vehicle motor. Even solar and wind solutions do not not start out at zero emissions, there is some time frame where the manufacturing footprint has a carbon impact that has to be recouped before truly getting to net zero. Coupled with lifespan, disposal, non-greenhouse environmental impact and other factors make those sustainable energies a tricky solution. Heck even R&D of new sustainable energies have a measurable footprint and a lot of that effort is never recovered due to designs never making it to market of just failures in general.

 

[Red61224]

Now the Gov is threatening an executive order to ban propane gas. For many, propane is how they run their emergency generators for when the power is OUT. So, no gas vehicles, no propane and he shut down the last nuclear power plant. Good NIGHT and pass the candles, please.

 

[Crissa]

Now the Gov is threatening an executive order to ban propane gas.

None of these proposals affect current installations or backup power.

-Crissa

 

[alan auerbach]

The open markets will have a huge impact between now and 15 years from now. How many people buy film cameras now? EV's will show their superiority and benefits to all well before 2035. I also agree, I don't like authoritarians making executive orders. Nobody likes being force fed.

So you don't accept wearing a helmet on a motorcycle or a seatbelt in a car? Or not selling cigs to kids? Or drunk driving? Or stopping at a red light?

Our lives are ruled by force-fed restrictions and requirements. We object initially but eventually stop thinking about them.

 

[Sirfun]

So you don't accept wearing a helmet on a motorcycle or a seatbelt in a car? Or not selling cigs to kids? Or drunk driving? Or stopping at a red light?

Our lives are ruled by force-fed restrictions and requirements. We object initially but eventually stop thinking about them.

Hi Alan, my comment on nobody likes being force fed. Had to do with, any authoritarian making a decree, or in this case the governor signing an Executive order without going through the proper channels and putting things up for a vote. In this case state legislature. I'm pretty sure all the examples you gave were voted on and agreed to by a majority. I guess we have a differing opinion of what force fed means.

 

[MEDICALJMP]

The poorest rarely buy new vehicles. It will be another 20 years after the ban before there will be no ICE used available.

At least 20 years. Until this year my daughter drove a 25-year-old car. There are lots of people who keep cars forever. Hell, Jay Leno pounds and drives a steam powered car.

 

[jerhenderson]

Give people the choice. I do not agree with Strong Arm Tactics. Make the EVs the sensible and an economical choice and people will switch on their on free will in droves. I like my freedom personally. Anyone else have their replies blocked or unable to agree with other's post. Big Brother is watching with bias.

Sometimes people need to be told what to do.... they're simply too dense to understand...like smoking and seatbelts.

 

[jerhenderson]

They could progressively raise the gas tax as more people drive ev gas prices are going to decline and something has to keep the price high or some people will just use alot of gas.

Gas prices will increase as less is used and demanded....Economics 101.