What will it typically cost to recharge a dual motor at a Tesla charging station?

[ajdelange]

I am new to electric vehicles so the expense involved with owning one is a big deal to me. I spend quite a bit on gas with my current truck and average 15mpg. @ 2.50 per gal. After reading the previous comments it sounds like the cost of charging is est. a little less than half the cost. I must say I was expecting much better savings from driving an EV

Based on 12,000 mi/yr you would use 12,000/15 = 800 gallons of gas costing $2,000 @ 2.50/gal
In a Tesla Model X you would use 4,000 kWh costing $480 at the average rate of $0.12 kWh
In a CT you would use about 5,820 kWh costing about $698 at $0.12 per. If your rate is $0.30/kWh that goes up to $1748 which is withing striking distance of the petrol cost.

If one is contemplating the Rivian vehicles (as many here are) and can't charge at home he must be prepared to pay more for electricity than he did for gas in his ICE vehicle. Marketing based on gasoline savings is just that; marketing. You have to work the numbers. Saving on fuel bills is not, IMO, sufficient motivation for buying a BEV.

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[SanDollars]

Superchargers are on average .28 cents per Kwh. Using this times the KW being replenished should be pretty easy math. 60 KW would cost $16.80, 80KW $22.40 and so on..

 

[Rthardison]

I am new to electric vehicles so the expense involved with owning one is a big deal to me. I spend quite a bit on gas with my current truck and average 15mpg. @ 2.50 per gal. After reading the previous comments it sounds like the cost of charging is est. a little less than half the cost. I must say I was expecting much better savings from driving an EV

I own a Model 3 and Model S. Here is a ballpark comparison to an equivalent ICE vehicle.

charging at home costs 25% of gas
Charging at supercharger is 50% cost of gas
Charging at third party chargers (Blink, Electrify America, etc.) is the same cost as gas

 

[Rthardison]

Based on 12,000 mi/yr you would use 12,000/15 = 800 gallons of gas costing $2,000 @ 2.50/gal
In a Tesla Model X you would use 4,000 kWh costing $480 at the average rate of $0.12 kWh
In a CT you would use about 5,820 kWh costing about $698 at $0.12 per. If your rate is $0.30/kWh that goes up to $1748 which is withing striking distance of the petrol cost.

If one is contemplating the Rivian vehicles (as many here are) and can't charge at home he must be prepared to pay more for electricity than he did for gas in his ICE vehicle. Marketing based on gasoline savings is just that; marketing. You have to work the numbers. Saving on fuel bills is not, IMO, sufficient motivation for buying a BEV.

I 100% agree. When I considered buying my first ev I tried to cost justify it. The math doesn’t work. At best, you will break even. Average cost is going to be $5-10K higher. There are other factors that got me to make the switch:

1) the fun factor is x2. You get the performance of a Corvette in the utility of a SUV or four door sedan.
2) I don’t have to go to the gas station any more. My vehicle charges while I sleep. If you enjoy going to the gas station, don’t buy an ev.
3) I swap mechanical concerns of a gas vehicle for software concerns of an ev. Software is usually more reliable. If you hate using a smart phone or tablet, don’t buy an ev. A Tesla is an iPad with wheels.
4) I get to be part of a new technology transition. I am helping make transportation sustainable. No more running out of oil or polluting the planet out of existence. With an ev, you can run on sunshine. If we run out of sunshine, we have bigger problems.
5) If we charge for pollution, they are at cost parity. If you buy gas, you are one politician away from paying $5-10K more over the life of your vehicle in some form of tax.

 

[Owner13669]

I am new to electric vehicles so the expense involved with owning one is a big deal to me. I spend quite a bit on gas with my current truck and average 15mpg. @ 2.50 per gal. After reading the previous comments it sounds like the cost of charging is est. a little less than half the cost. I must say I was expecting much better savings from driving an EV

Charging at home, especially if you have lower rates at night, is much cheaper. For instance, I have national grid for electricity. If you have an electric vehicle, you can get Special time of use rates. For me that’s roughly 0.03 per kWh at night. My bolt has a 60kwh battery, so it costs roughly $ 1.80 for 230ish miles of electricity.

 

[Rthardison]

What will it typically cost to recharge a dual motor at a Tesla charging station?

You are asking this like a gas vehicle. It doesn’t work exactly like that. If I’m on a long trip, I plan to arrive with at least 10% and don’t normally charge over 90%. Actually, I only charge enough to get to the next charger with at least 10%. This makes for the shortest charge times.
So, let’s assume you start at 10% and go to 90% and the dual motor CT has a 125 kWh battery. That is 125x80%=100 kWh. Let’s assume $0.25/kWh=$25.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Let me just reiterate that for those of you who do not own a BEV and are wondering what operating one involves ABRP can be your best friend. You can try different vehicles (Tesla, Rivian), different battery pack sizes, different weather conditions, different loads, different charging philosophies etc and learn an awful lot.

I never heard of this app before. Thanks!

 

[Crissa]

This is pretty simple:

This is per-gallon for gas vs per mpg. So it's n cents per mile, right?

		gas $
		$2.00	$3.00	$4.00
mpg	50	$0.04	$0.06	$0.08
	30	$0.07	$0.10	$0.13
	25	$0.08	$0.12	$0.16
	20	$0.10	$0.15	$0.20

And here's electricity:

		kWh $
		$0.10	$0.20	$0.30
Wh/mi	100	$0.01	$0.02	$0.03
	225	$0.02	$0.05	$0.07
	350	$0.04	$0.07	$0.11
	500	$0.05	$0.10	$0.15

So electricity straight up wins for cheapness.

But! These numbers aren't apples to apples: The gasoline car also has oil and maintenance of about $300/3000 miles. The electric doesn't have engine filters and oil and coolant etc. They both have some maintenance, but it's not every 3000-5000 miles. That's a base 10¢ a mile more than the electric car.

So with per mile maintenance, the per mile cost is:

		gas $
		$2.00	$3.00	$4.00
mpg	50	$0.14	$0.16	$0.18
	30	$0.17	$0.20	$0.23
	25	$0.18	$0.22	$0.26
	20	$0.20	$0.25	$0.30

So multiply that by your miles in a year, and that's money saved that you can (and probably will) pay in battery. At least for the Cybertruck. But remember, you won't be wedded to a specific set of fossil fluids, you can run it inside a garage, etc.

Now, road-trip prices can be crazy. I've spent dollars on kWhs at a charger... But Tesla has comitted to only passing on what their electricity cost is. It won't be your home numbers, but it'll still not need engine maintenance!

-Crissa

100 Wh/mi == Zero Motorcycle
50 mpg == Motorcycle, Prius
225 Wh/mi == Model 3
30 mpg == Mid-size car
350 Wh/mi == Cybertruck
25 mpg == mid-size truck
500 Wh/mi == Cybertruck towing
20 mpg == full-size truck

$3.17 a gallon == my local price
$0.31 a kWh == my local price (solar/renewable mix at peak)
$2.11 a gallon == US average
$0.13 a kWh == US average

 

[ajdelange]

You are asking this like a gas vehicle.

Yes, good point. It is just like a gas vehicle as in pulling up to pump and saying to the attendant (in times and places where there are/were attendants) "Give me 5 gallons" or "give me $5 worth." That is, you take on as much charge as you want or need. The only difference is that you never say (or think as SC don't have attendants) "fill 'er up."

 

[Rthardison]

This is pretty simple:

This is per-gallon for gas vs per mpg. So it's n cents per mile, right?

		gas $
		$2.00	$3.00	$4.00
mpg	50	$0.04	$0.06	$0.08
	30	$0.07	$0.10	$0.13
	25	$0.08	$0.12	$0.16
	20	$0.10	$0.15	$0.20

And here's electricity:

		kWh $
		$0.10	$0.20	$0.30
Wh/mi	100	$0.01	$0.02	$0.03
	225	$0.02	$0.05	$0.07
	350	$0.04	$0.07	$0.11
	500	$0.05	$0.10	$0.15

So electricity straight up wins for cheapness.

But! These numbers aren't apples to apples: The gasoline car also has oil and maintenance of about $300/3000 miles. The electric doesn't have engine filters and oil and coolant etc. They both have some maintenance, but it's not every 3000-5000 miles. That's a base 10¢ a mile more than the electric car.

So with per mile maintenance, the per mile cost is:

		gas $
		$2.00	$3.00	$4.00
mpg	50	$0.14	$0.16	$0.18
	30	$0.17	$0.20	$0.23
	25	$0.18	$0.22	$0.26
	20	$0.20	$0.25	$0.30

So multiply that by your miles in a year, and that's money saved that you can (and probably will) pay in battery. At least for the Cybertruck. But remember, you won't be wedded to a specific set of fossil fluids, you can run it inside a garage, etc.

Now, road-trip prices can be crazy. I've spent dollars on kWhs at a charger... But Tesla has comitted to only passing on what their electricity cost is. It won't be your home numbers, but it'll still not need engine maintenance!

-Crissa

100 Wh/mi == Zero Motorcycle
50 mpg == Motorcycle, Prius
225 Wh/mi == Model 3
30 mpg == Mid-size car
350 Wh/mi == Cybertruck
25 mpg == mid-size truck
500 Wh/mi == Cybertruck towing
20 mpg == full-size truck

$3.17 a gallon == my local price
$0.31 a kWh == my local price (solar/renewable mix at peak)
$2.11 a gallon == US average
$0.13 a kWh == US average

I agree with most of what you have listed. Except- I expect the Cybertruck to use 450wh/mile without a load and 900 wh/mile when pulling a large trailer.
You left off mpg towing for gas -about 10mpg.

 

[Crissa]

I agree with most of what you have listed. Except- I expect the Cybertruck to use 450wh/mile without a load and 900 wh/mile when pulling a large trailer.
You left off mpg towing for gas -about 10mpg.

Yeah, I didn't want to make gas look too bad. But that's why I put in 500Wh/mi. They estimate the Semi will consume 1kWh/mi, too.

I think we'll be pleasantly surprised except when pulling giant boxes.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Wh/mi	900	$0.09	$0.18	$0.27
mpg	10	$0.30	$0.40	$0.50

Here are those lines requested.

-Crissa

 

[Ehninger1212]

I own a Model 3 and Model S. Here is a ballpark comparison to an equivalent ICE vehicle.

charging at home costs 25% of gas
Charging at supercharger is 50% cost of gas
Charging at third party chargers (Blink, Electrify America, etc.) is the same cost as gas

I'll be charging at my office during the week.. for free 0% cost of gas.

 

[ajdelange]

Worst case the CT will pull 500 wH/mi meaning a kWh will get you 2 miles. Worst case a kWh of electricity will cost you 50¢. Thus your worst case energy costs would be 25¢/mi. More likely consumption will be 400 Wh/mi (2.5 mi/kWh) and costs will, on average for home charging be more like 13¢/kWh for 5.2¢/mi. Home charging costs can be reduced if you have solar panels or a windmill... If one of those produces half your electric needs then costs go down to around 2.6¢/mi. Clearly you can get down to 0 if your renewable source is big enough.

Charging is free at many merchant/school/city/employer owned Destination Chargers.

At SuperChargers the rates are around 28¢/kWh for a per mile cost of 11.2¢/mi. Free charging at SC is available if you are the beneficiary of one of Tesla's model promotions or get chunks of free charging for referrals.

 

[Crissa]

Worst case is that I spent a more than a dollar per kWh last January topping off my bike. This can happen easily given peak time charges or per-visit minimums.

Heck, I got charged a buck last month and the EVSE didn't give me any watts. I had to go to the bank to get my buck back. What a pain! Luckily those sorts of fees are being phased out over the next five years. And they're the exception rather than the rule.

Peak electricity in say, San Diego, is over 60¢ a kWh. Ionity was charging 79¢ a kWh plus fees this year: https://electrek.co/2020/01/17/ioni...hicle-charging-prices-500-percent-january-31/. So just like watching out for that one gas station in the pass charging you twice the going rate... Well, it can happen.

Tesla tries to average out their prices, but they did add in peak hour charging now, so we'll have to watch for that. It's not the usual, though. For home charges and office-park fast chargers (which is a trickle for a Cybertruck but worth it if you're there for more than an hour, especially in inclement weather) many are free or very, very cheap.

-Crissa