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[ajdelange]

Think what you like.



noun
noun: geofencing; noun: geo-fencing

1. the use of GPS or RFID technology to create a virtual geographic boundary, enabling software to trigger a response when a mobile device enters or leaves a particular area.
   "geofencing turns the lights off when you leave and on when you get home"

verb
gerund or present participle: geofencing

1. create a virtual geographic boundary around (an area) by means of GPS or RFID technology, enabling software to trigger a response when a mobile device enters or leaves the area.

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[Crissa]

So you think that if you use a different source of positional data, it's not geofencing, and yet the definition names guide stars and barrier RF - which are to widely different technologies as to be completely different - and then the example sentence has lights - which usually use IR motion sensing to determine interacting with something in their bounds.

So you think it totally matters the technology to say there was a geographic boundary... While using a definition that in fact does not seem to think it does.

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...And you say that autonomous cars won't be autonomous if they use GPS to keep them out of where they're not supposed to go.

-Crissa

 

[ajdelange]

So you think that if you use a different source of positional data, it's not geofencing, and yet the definition names guide stars and barrier RF - which are to widely different technologies as to be completely different - and then the example sentence has lights - which usually use IR motion sensing to determine interacting with something in their bounds.

Clearly you are trying very hard not to understand and if these fora have taught me anything it is that people who don't want to understand can't be made to. Sort of leading a horse to water thing I guess.

Geofencing refers to the use of position information derived from some sort of location system to designate at particular geographic area for any of several purposes. It may be used to indicate, for example, that your dog has wandered off your property or that your son has taken the car out of or into a particular town or that you have arrived at home and the garage door should open. It has also been used to disable hobby drones if an attempt is made to operate them within 30 miles of the White House or within 5 miles of an airport. The common thread in all these applications is that there is some level of automation involved. Clearly, the technology arose out of GPS but GPS is clearly not the only source of positional information that can be used.

So you think it totally matters the technology to say there was a geographic boundary... While using a definition that in fact does not seem to think it does.

No. I don't think that. What does matter is that technology, in particular automated technology, is involved. If my father says "Dont' drive the car on the New Jersey Turnpike" (and he did) that's not geofencing. If he buys a car with a GPS receiver and an application that allows him to designate the length of the New Jersey Turpike as a zone and that sends him a message if the car enters that zone, it is.

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...And you say that autonomous cars won't be autonomous if they use GPS to keep them out of where they're not supposed to go.

No. How did you get that idea?

 

[Crissa]

Clearly you are trying very hard not to understand and if these fora have taught me anything it is that people who don't want to understand can't be made to. Sort of leading a horse to water thing I guess.

Yes. And you're wrong about solar arrays, you're wrong about this. You're way too pedantic.

Geofencing refers to the use of position information derived from some sort of location system

Yes. Like visual systems or maps. So yes, like my license limiting where I'm supposed to go, I have to use my 'software' to determine my 'location' using signs and maps. It's pretty advanced, I know, wetware stuff.

Clearly, the technology arose out of GPS

No. The term 'geo' is from 'geographic' and yes, GPS is great for it. But the term is from the '60s when they were first using big informatics and maps. A geofence is a virtual fence. There are tons of virtual fences in the world, from borders to zoning areas to voting precincts. Knowing where something is in relation to these invisible borders is great.

But the term pre-dated even the idea of GPS by decades. It also predated having networked computers, and most of our wireless technology we use today.

No. How did you get that idea?

When you wrote it on Monday: https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...-years-ahead-of-toyota-and-vw.1397/post-20342

-Crissa

 

[ajdelange]

Clearly responding further to your posts is a profitless endeavour.

Any other reader who wants to learn about geofencing can find lots of stuff about it on line.

 

[Crissa]

Clearly responding further to your posts is a profitless endeavour.

Any other reader who wants to learn about geofencing can find lots of stuff about it on line.

Yes, it is fruitless, because you said a couple things that now you're not defending.

It's okay. Virtual existed before computers, too. ^-^

-Crissa

 

[mrbulk]

If "geo" comes from "geography", then even MOUNTAINS themselves could be considered geofences.

 

[ajdelange]

It comes from γη or γαῖα as do so many words like geoid, geographic, geodesy, geocentric, geometry, geometric, geopolitics, geotechnic and, more recently, geocache, geofence etc.

It was a natural extension to the broader Location Based Services concept which emerged when the cell phone industry started using signaling that allowed them to locate (triangulate) a handset if in view of two or more towers. DJI (the drone maker) claims they invented it in 2013 but that's marketing hype as it actually emerged when smart phones started including GPS and later GPS/GLONASS/Galileo receivers.

 

[Crissa]

If "geo" comes from "geography", then even MOUNTAINS themselves could be considered geofences.

Oh, no, see, those are physical rather than instructions on paper or in software.

They'd be real fences!

-Crissa

PS, radio triangulation has been around for most of the last century. The development of radio towers for air navigation meant there were reliable signals at all times across the country.

 

[ajdelange]

... and screen names of some of our members!

 

[mrbulk]

Oh, no, see, those are physical rather than instructions on paper or in software.

They'd be real fences!

-Crissa

PS, radio triangulation has been around for most of the last century. The development of radio towers for air navigation meant there were reliable signals at all times across the country.

My point exactly. A fence created by natural geography.

 

[Crissa]

My point exactly. A fence created by natural geography.

Right, which is a real fence. A geofence is a described arbitrary area.

-Crissa

 

[ajdelange]

If "geo" comes from "geography", then even MOUNTAINS themselves could be considered geofences.

This is the internet. There are people here who would insist that a mountain is a geofence. There is a member here who went on for weeks about a Cybertruck not being a cyber truck because there is nothing cyber about it and it isn't a truck. There's another fellow on this forum who is anticipating infinite range in his BEVs as soon as a guy well known to be a con man releases his new perpetual motion machine. There are people here who wonder why we can't connect a generator to the wheels of our BEVs and use it to charge the battery. It should be obvious that it is useless to try to set these people straight but it took me a long time to come to that realization.

 

[mrbulk]

This is the internet. There are people here who would insist that a mountain is a geofence. There is a member here who went on for weeks about a Cybertruck not being a cyber truck because there is nothing cyber about it and it isn't a truck. There's another fellow on this forum who is anticipating infinite range in his BEVs as soon as a guy well known to be a con man releases his new perpetual motion machine. There are people here who wonder why we can't connect a generator to the wheels of our BEVs and use it to charge the battery. It should be obvious that it is useless to try to set these people straight but it took me a long time to come to that realization.

It's all personal perception and definition, tomatoes vs. to-mah-toes. Regardless, I have mine and others have theirs, I am fine and comfortable with others not seeing things the same way. I am still gonna buy the CT when my number comes up. And being offroad capable I will have less "fences" (geo or however-wise defined) and more capability than any other vehicle I've ever owned, car or truck.