Cybertruck Vs. New Bronco

[cybertrucktruckguy]

https://youtu.be/YtqlAXndsqY

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[Geo]

Very good effort by Ford. Bronco is cool, capable, nimble and fun. Open Top, removable doors is great.
Window in bottom of doors is great. Software features interesting.

Cybertruck still great in many respects, 16’ clearance is awesome, Air Suspension, Electric Torque no contest, but size is barge like, and a disadvantage by comparison.


208’ Cybertruck with a mid gate, would be so much better : Range, Off Road / Race Capable,
Metro Practical, Versatile, Fun.

P.S. And the Bronco comes with some sort of force field, or Police repellant !
They can't catch it even if its going slow !

 

[Blue Steel]

I’d have to take a hard look at an electric Bronco with decent range. But as cool as this Bronco is, an overtaxed tiny turbo is a big turn off for me. I had a 2013 Ford Flex with an EcoBoost V6. It performed great, but I was really worried about the turbos going out outside of warranty. I believe it was a $10k repair bill. And the turbos had a fairly short expected life span.

But my wife wrecked that car so I didn’t have to mess with the turbos.?

Anyway, it looks like the electric version of this (4 door model) will be made by Rivian.

 

[Geo]

I’d have to take a hard look at an electric Bronco with decent range. But as cool as this Bronco is, an overtaxed tiny turbo is a big turn off for me. I had a 2013 Ford Flex with an EcoBoost V6. It performed great, but I was really worried about the turbos going out outside of warranty. I believe it was a $10k repair bill. And the turbos had a fairly short expected life span.

But my wife wrecked that car so I didn’t have to mess with the turbos.?

Anyway, it looks like the electric version of this (4 door model) will be made by Rivian.

I'd suggest the Bronco is the opposite of overtaxed, At 300 hp, I think they have left themselves huge headroom to incrementally keep raising the power output every so often.
The Ford GT pulls 700 hp out of its V6 Turbo, granted its a little bigger at 3.5 litres.
But equally they could increase the size in the Bronco also, if need be.

 

[CostcoSamples]

Bronco marketing looks great. But Bronco seems kind of junky compared to Cybertruck... Bronco styling is the same as everything else, nothing groundbreaking. It's exactly what you'd guess it would be: Neat off-the-shelf features in a compact SUV with 1960s design theme. I'm sure the focus groups loved it. No new tech. No bulletproof exoskeleton. No armor glass. No auto pilot. No supercar acceleration. Lots of poetic marketing speak, cool CGI, horses, mountains...

I'm sure it's a good vehicle by typical legacy auto standards... Compared to Tesla? well, not so much.

 

[Geo]

It should be carefully noted, that in the terrain shown in the Bronco video, any electric vehicle will suffer terribly from range reduction.

While Cybertruck may be superior in actually traversing most type of terrain and obstacles compared to the Bronco, (with the exception of where the 149.9 inch wheelbase and little worse breakover angle ( 27 deg vs ~25 deg )is a disadvantage ) The Cybertruck can not do it for anywhere near the same length of time.

Along the lines of how a fully charged 300 mile battery will last less than 40 miles under race conditions on a track.

Expect a battery in that terrain to be drained as if you were towing something heavy, even if speed is moderate.

Expect to lose at least 50% of range. Of available range that is !

So if you've only charged it to 90% and you used 30% getting to the play ground, not a lot of opportunity to actually play, before turning to leave.

I for-see a lot of Cybertrucks being towed out of the forest and mountains, and it won’t be because of lack of performance, just lack of range, intrinsic to traversing that sort of terrain.
Then it might be unfairly labelled "junky" too !

Man that Bronco video made the outback look so inviting.

P.S. And the Bronco comes with some sort of force field, or Police repellant !
They can't catch it even if its going slow

 

[Newton]

Very cool truck, for whatever reason there's a huge following for old Broncos.
For me though,
if it's not electric, or some new way to power it, what's the point? Same cheese, different smell. it reminds me of the toyota FJ cruiser. But you know probably not as good

 

[cybertrucktruckguy]

It should be carefully noted, that in the terrain shown in the Bronco video, any electric vehicle will suffer terribly from range reduction.

While Cybertruck may be superior in actually traversing most type of terrain and obstacles compared to the Bronco, (with the exception of where the 149.9 inch wheelbase and little worse breakover angle ( 27 deg vs ~25 deg )is a disadvantage ) The Cybertruck can not do it for anywhere near the same length of time.

Along the lines of how a fully charged 300 mile battery will last less than 40 miles under race conditions on a track.

Expect a battery in that terrain to be drained as if you were towing something heavy, even if speed is moderate.

Expect to lose at least 50% of range. Of available range that is !

So if you've only charged it to 90% and you used 30% getting to the play ground, not a lot of opportunity to actually play, before turning to leave.

I for-see a lot of Cybertrucks being towed out of the forest and mountains, and it won’t be because of lack of performance, just lack of range, intrinsic to traversing that sort of terrain.
Then it might be unfairly labelled "junky" too !

Man that Bronco video made the outback look so inviting.

P.S. And the Bronco comes with some sort of force field, or Police repellant !
They can't catch it even if its going slow

Big reason I got the tri-motor. 500 miles. I've yet to travel more than 300 miles off road in one day and that was going balls out on my adventure motorcycle on mostly gravel roads. When I'm doing technical stuff mixed in its usually closer to 150 miles. I think the fully kitted up Bronco will be in the low-mid 60's so close to parity with the Tri-Motor and with 3500lbs of payload I can always bring a 6000 watt generator with me if I want to go way into the boonies.

 

[akia123]

It should be carefully noted, that in the terrain shown in the Bronco video, any electric vehicle will suffer terribly from range reduction.

While Cybertruck may be superior in actually traversing most type of terrain and obstacles compared to the Bronco, (with the exception of where the 149.9 inch wheelbase and little worse breakover angle ( 27 deg vs ~25 deg )is a disadvantage ) The Cybertruck can not do it for anywhere near the same length of time.

Along the lines of how a fully charged 300 mile battery will last less than 40 miles under race conditions on a track.

Expect a battery in that terrain to be drained as if you were towing something heavy, even if speed is moderate.

Expect to lose at least 50% of range. Of available range that is !

So if you've only charged it to 90% and you used 30% getting to the play ground, not a lot of opportunity to actually play, before turning to leave.

I for-see a lot of Cybertrucks being towed out of the forest and mountains, and it won’t be because of lack of performance, just lack of range, intrinsic to traversing that sort of terrain.
Then it might be unfairly labelled "junky" too !

Man that Bronco video made the outback look so inviting.

P.S. And the Bronco comes with some sort of force field, or Police repellant !
They can't catch it even if its going slow

Intresting going off road will drain the battery that much? It makes sense race mode drains battery. I did upgrade mine to the 500. Since most places I'm going be going are 200 or so.

 

[CostcoSamples]

It should be carefully noted, that in the terrain shown in the Bronco video, any electric vehicle will suffer terribly from range reduction.

While Cybertruck may be superior in actually traversing most type of terrain and obstacles compared to the Bronco, (with the exception of where the 149.9 inch wheelbase and little worse breakover angle ( 27 deg vs ~25 deg )is a disadvantage ) The Cybertruck can not do it for anywhere near the same length of time.

Along the lines of how a fully charged 300 mile battery will last less than 40 miles under race conditions on a track.

Expect a battery in that terrain to be drained as if you were towing something heavy, even if speed is moderate.

Expect to lose at least 50% of range. Of available range that is !

So if you've only charged it to 90% and you used 30% getting to the play ground, not a lot of opportunity to actually play, before turning to leave.

I for-see a lot of Cybertrucks being towed out of the forest and mountains, and it won’t be because of lack of performance, just lack of range, intrinsic to traversing that sort of terrain.
Then it might be unfairly labelled "junky" too !

Man that Bronco video made the outback look so inviting.

P.S. And the Bronco comes with some sort of force field, or Police repellant !
They can't catch it even if its going slow

You are speculating on range. Off road is a problem with current Teslas because of the torque vectoring which applies brakes to prevent slippage. It’s incredibly inefficient for off road. Elon said CT would have advanced off-road tech, so likely CT won’t use the same approach.

yes off road will still use more power but we don’t know how much.

 

[Cybr on]

You are speculating on range. Off road is a problem with current Teslas because of the torque vectoring which applies brakes to prevent slippage. It’s incredibly inefficient for off road. Elon said CT would have advanced off-road tech, so likely CT won’t use the same approach.

yes off road will still use more power but we don’t know how much.

Cannot wait to find out what that “+” Could possibly mean To all of us. My take is this, Elon left a “+” for a reason and that reason is coming very soon to all of us. I AM SO EXCITED!

 

[BigJack86]

Very Disappointed with what I saw of the Bronco. Ford could have saved us three years worth of hype and just called it the Escape/Explorer offroad or something similar and saved alot of people the disappointment...

 

[Geo]

You are speculating on range. Off road is a problem with current Teslas because of the torque vectoring which applies brakes to prevent slippage. It’s incredibly inefficient for off road. Elon said CT would have advanced off-road tech, so likely CT won’t use the same approach.

yes off road will still use more power but we don’t know how much.

While you’re right, I don’t have definitive proof, indeed I don’t have a Cybertruck I have scientifically rigorously tested.

However, its not idle speculation, its based on solid experience and well established quantified increases in wh/mile from minor differences in conditions. like sealed flat dry roads versus wet.

TFL tested a model X going very slowly up a rough steep hill in Colorado,
and the energy consumption was off the chart at 1546 wh/mile.
Noting it was like the time they were towing 4500 Ibs.

I don’t consider it a brilliant deduction on my part, its really easy to determine range reduction will be severe off road.

But hey, feel free to ignore the warning, like I said, I fully expect to see online, many examples of Cybertruck’s being towed out of play grounds, because people don’t quite grasp how the energy consumption shoots through the roof when a load is applied that even momentarily, and inperceptively, the electric motors work hard to overcome.

Smart people have already acknowledged this in this thread, and even planned for a solution, like carrying a generator.

But you know what would be funny, if two guys with Cybertruck's were out in the forest and one guys battery died and the other tried to tow the first guy out !

 

[ajdelange]

I would ignore it. Evidently you don't understand regenerative braking. The gravitational potential energy expended in going up hill is largely (but not totally) recovered. Energy used to overcome drag (epecially that of fording streams) is not recovered. So yes, there will be a reduction in range but not nearly as dramatic as you seem to think.

Sure those guys used 1500 Wh/mi going up hill. What did they get coming down? Recovery isn't 100 % efficient. Let's guess 70%. "Consumption" coming down would then be -1050 for an average of 450. Sure that's high for an X but would result in a range reduction of a third. YMMV.

As to the torque vectoring: Torque vectoring by applying differential braking is, of course, wasteful of the energy dissipated in the applied brake. The CT will do torque vectoring at the rear electronically (two motors). The energy (or most of it) absorbed by the "braked" wheel goes right back to the battery.

Another big factor is off roading is going to be rolling resistance. It will depend on the substrate. I do not experience much, if any, loss from this driving on dirt roads which I do extensively during the summer but if i tried it during the mud season the story would be different.

 

[Geo]

And we have a winner, AJ will be the one to tow out a fellow Cybertrucker, cos if you can make back so much energy through braking, think of how much more he'll get when he's towing

A.J. I can picture you, chopping down trees and loading 'em on board, thinking of all that free energy you will be recovering. Hitchikers, and road kill too.

P.S. I wonder if Woody Allen should update his moose story